Dr Jim West is rightly concerned about the proliferation of bad Bible interpretation on the Internet. So he has put forward guidelines on who is qualified to interpret and comment on the biblical text, basically that they should be theologically qualified and actively involved in a Christian or Jewish community. I don’t entirely agree with him: many without formal qualifications have deep knowledge of the Bible and are fit to interpret it as long as they are aware of the limitations of their understanding. But, in case anyone wonders or questions my credentials, I do meet his guidelines; my theological background is given in the introductory posting on the blog.
Monthly Archives: June 2006
The Toronto Blessing: some further thoughts
After my posting on Tuesday about my experiences similar to the Toronto Blessing, I read in more detail Adrian Warnock’s account of the original blessing, which is especially interesting because Adrian is a qualified psychiatrist as well as a charismatic Christian. His medical training is clearly reflected in his account.
Adrian noted the prominent involvement in the original blessing of Sandy Millar and Nicky Gumbel of Holy Trinity Brompton. This may well explain both the emphasis on the Holy Spirit in the Alpha course, which Nicky Gumbel pioneered and still leads, and its extraordinary effectiveness worldwide – including in a small but significant way in my own church. In 1994 Adrian commented that during the Toronto Blessing
There have not been large number of conversions, and most people are not calling this a revival.
But if this Blessing is counted as even partially a basis on which the Alpha course was built, it must now be understood as having led to a large number of people turning to Christ through that course. It was not perhaps a “traditional” revival, but its results must be seen as comparable to large scale revival.
Adrian considered whether the Toronto Blessing ought to be considered a genuine work of God. He put forward the following test for this which he took from Jonathan Edwards – presumably the 18th century preacher and not the athlete of the same name who is also a prominent Christian:
It was in the study of 1 John 4 that he found his signs to indicate the genuiness of a work of God: An increase in esteem for Jesus as the Son of God, a greater following of God’s ways, an increased hunger for and understanding of God’s word (thus listening to the Apostles), and an increased love for God and man.
It is by the fruit of this movement that we will know its genuineness. (Mt 7:15-20). The result of all this ought to be a greater desire for holiness and to see souls saved.
On this basis both the original Toronto Blessing and the similar manifestations which I experienced should be accepted as at least to a large extent genuine. I would recommend to anyone that they take any opportunity to experience this for themselves, but also that they follow Adrian’s advice:
attend with a desire to experience God for yourself if all this is genuine. Do not seek phenomena, seek God.
No posting yesterday – Blogger problem
I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to post yesterday, Wednesday 7th. The Blogger site was down for most of the evening, UK time. Now, just after midnight here, it is up again. My apologies also to the friends who I just pointed to this site and encouraged to comment, that although they could read it they could not comment. But now they probably can – unless the site goes down again.
A friend who is currently in China reported that his access to this blog is blocked. I must say that I somewhat flattered that the authorities there consider me a threat! Does anyone know, are all Blogger blogs blocked there, or is it because their automatic system has found certain keywords like “God” or “Bible”?
The Toronto Blessing: the outpouring continues
Adrian Warnock quoted (with permission) the following which I originally wrote privately to him:
I have also experienced the Toronto Blessing, although in my case only this year!
I realise that to put it this way may seem surprising to some. After all, the Toronto Blessing, at least as understood here in the UK, was something rather specific and special (not to mention controversial) which happened in 1994, first in Toronto and then elsewhere including here. Adrian’s own account of these events is one of many. And perhaps it would be better to reserve the specific name for those events, which I missed out on at the time partly because I was working outside the country. So, more precisely, I might say that what I experienced this year was the activity of the Holy Spirit accompanied by the same kinds of phenomena which were associated with the Toronto Blessing. These manifestations were not in fact new in 1994. And they have continued in many places since then, including at Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF) after which the Blessing was named, because it started there, under the ministry of John and Carol Arnott.
For me there was also a more specific link with the original Toronto Blessing. A few years ago some people from my church visited TACF and were touched by the continuing activity of the Holy Spirit there. In 2004 I think two of them attended a conference in the UK organised by Catch the Fire Ministries, which is an offshoot of TACF. At this they got to know Lori Lawlor, who is the Arnotts’ daughter. Soon afterwards she was asked to lead a weekend conference at my church, assisted by a team from the church in Birmingham, Haven Renewal Centre, of which she is one of the two pastors (both ladies, sorry if that’s a problem for anyone!). Since then I have been one of a group which has twice visited Haven for their Revival Days conferences, in November 2005 and February 2006, and we are going for a third time this month.
Given the family link to TACF, it was hardly a suprise to find that at Haven the Holy Spirit is expected to work in similar ways to the original Toronto Blessing. It seems to me that the Holy Spirit only works in the ways in which he (or she or it ?? – maybe there will be another posting on this sometime) is given permission to work. So in churches where noisy phenomena are not expected or not welcome, they don’t usually happen. But when no barriers are erected the Holy Spirit works in all kinds of unexpected ways. He touches in a deep way the lives of people who are sometimes deeply hurt. And so it is not surprising that there are some strong reactions, even sometimes things which one might not expect to be the work of the Holy Spirit; but maybe it would be better to say that these things are coming from an imperfect human spirit as it is touched by God’s Spirit of holiness.
So, yes, I saw and heard people acting in strange ways. I don’t know that all of it was the genuine work of the Holy Spirit, but I am sure that some of it was – because it was happening to people who I know and trust, and eventually to myself. At the November conference I felt the Holy Spirit working in my life and helping to heal some deep issues, but was not much involved with any unusual manifestations. In February more deep issues were dealt with, and I also experienced properly for the first time some of the manifestations in my own life. No, I didn’t roll about laughing in the Spirit for hours (but I did laugh a bit), and I didn’t roar like a lion (although someone else did). But the Holy Spirit did make my whole body shake for several minutes, and this has happened more than once – and amazingly I was able to stay on my feet! And the fruit of this has been positive in a way which has lasted at least for a few months, with a definite upturn in my personal relationship with God.
I don’t know what God is going to do with me and the rest of our group at the next Revival Days conference, but I am confident that it will be something very good!
Today's Bible Passage: John 7:37-39
I have had a busy day, so, although I am working on another posting, I may not get round to blogging anything more than today’s Bible passage:
37 On the last and greatest day of the Festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.
John 7:37-39 (TNIV©)
Today's Bible Passage: Ezekiel 36:25-27
I will try to get in just before midnight this time with a passage for today. This was in fact part of my vicar’s (pastor’s) text for his reading yesterday evening, and I was looking at it again today. These are of course the words of the Lord to the people of Israel:
25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
Ezekiel 36:25-27 (TNIV©)
I could have quoted more both before and after this, but then I would have felt obliged to make some comment on the references to the land, and that would have opened up a controversial subject which I don’t want to deal with just at the moment.
Just because I have chosen three Old Testament passages in a row, please don’t think that I am somehow stuck in the Old Covenant. In fact of course both today’s passage and yesterday’s are specific prophecies of the New Covenant. I am sure that in future I will be led to share passages from the New Testament.
Adrian and I remember together
For some time I have wondered whether the well-known Christian blogger Adrian Warnock is the same Adrian as I knew as a teenager here in Chelmsford. Only a couple of days ago I was able to confirm this. This is because I recognised in Adrian’s story, part four, the same mini-revival which I was also caught up in in 1984-85. I wrote to Adrian about this, and he has now posted (with my permission) part of what I wrote to him about those days. I intend to say more here about the Toronto Blessing which I mentioned in the quoted passage.
I don’t think Adrian’s teachers at “King Edward VI Grammer School” (which is one of the top state schools in the country) would be proud of his spelling of the name of the school!
Why use TNIV?
Some readers may have been interested, possibly even some offended, at my choice of TNIV (Today’s New International Version) as my preferred Bible version for this blog. This version has been highly controversial, especially in the USA, for the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has been running a vitriolic (and in my opinion quite un-Christian in tone) campaign against TNIV, accusing it quite unjustifiably of thousands of “inaccuracies”.
Why did I chose TNIV myself? I have used NIV as my main Bible for personal use for more than 20 years. But there were several things about it which I had become not entirely happy with, for example its treatment of gender issues and the way in which it read the New Testament back into the Old Testament. See the quoted comment below on the latter point; I may come back to the gender issues at another time. When the TNIV New Testament came out in 2001 I saw that this was a significant improvement in several ways. Last year my church was looking to buy new “pew” Bibles (we don’t have pews, which actually gives us a problem as we have nowhere to leave them out). The original intention was to buy NIV, but at my suggestion we waited for the then imminent publication of TNIV and then ordered it, at a bargain price direct from the International Bible Society. When at last I saw the full Bible, I was glad to see also to see some improvement on how the Old Testament depends on the New Testament, although the changes are not as complete as I might have liked. But I am not sure I would actually want to change Psalm 51:11 – see below.
I will not attempt a fuller review of TNIV because Rick Mansfield has just written an excellent one. Here are the comments on it which I just submitted:
Thanks for the excellent review. At least it was excellent once I had increased the font size twice so that it was large enough to read (on my high resolution laptop screen) – although still smaller than the Better Bibles Blog.
You mention the change in Philippians 3:8 from “rubbish” to “garbage”. Here in England “rubbish” is the normal word and “garbage”, although understood, is considered an Americanism. Sadly, perhaps, the people who prepared the British edition of TNIV did not change back to “rubbish” here, although they still change “rooster” to the normal word used in Britain as well as in KJV.
You mention the issue of keeping OT Messianic prophecies in a form which more directly applies them to Christ, for example at Psalm 34:20. It is worth noting that this is a change between NIV and TNIV which goes beyond the gender issues. NIV has been widely criticised for reading the NT back into the OT, for example in using capital letters for “Son” in Psalm 2:7,12 and “Holy Spirit” in Psalm 51:11, and for the rendering “virgin” in Isaiah 7:14. TNIV has backed down on capitalising “son” in Psalm 2, although it retains “Holy Spirit” and “virgin” – but for the latter has added a footnote “Or young woman“. These changes, as well as the rendering of Psalm 34:20, suggest a policy change, welcome to me, of translating the Hebrew Bible as a Hebrew work from the BC period, and not imposing on it interpretations, even those inspired by the Holy Spirit, from centuries later and a very different cultural and theological context. But I am aware that not everyone agrees with me on this one.
Yesterday's Bible passage: Joel 2:28-32a
No time to blog on Pentecost Sunday. I was too busy at church and with friends, and anyway I spend enough time in front of my computer six days a week to want a break on Sundays. Sunday is already just past, here in the UK, but here is a slightly belated offering for Pentecost, prompted by Ruud’s posting on Suzanne’s Bookshelf, which was in fact of this passage from Joel as quoted by Peter on the Day of Pentecost. I break off at the same place as Peter did, which is mid-sentence in TNIV, perhaps because this is the real climax:
28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved; …Joel 2:28-32a (TNIV©)
Today's Bible Passage: 2 Kings 6:15-20
I don’t promise a daily Bible passage, but here is one to start with, from my current favourite version, TNIV:
15 When the servant of [Elisha] the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh no, my lord! What shall we do?” the servant asked.
16 “Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
17 And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
18 As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha prayed to the Lord, “Strike this army with blindness.” So he struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked.
19 Elisha told them, “This is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me, and I will lead you to the man you are looking for.” And he led them to Samaria.
20 After they entered the city, Elisha said, “Lord, open the eyes of these men so they can see.” Then the Lord opened their eyes and they looked, and there they were, inside Samaria.
2 Kings 6:15-20 (TNIV©)