Gold is from the heavens

You may have heard of reports of gold dust, as well as precious jewels, falling from from the sky during times of worship, in recent years. Like me, you may not know what to make of such reports – or you may simply reject them as fabrications.

A burst of meteorite impactsBut it is interesting to read in a BBC report that scientists now believe that almost all the gold in the earth’s crust has fallen from the sky – quite literally, in the form of meteorites. The scientists date this fall of gold and other precious metals to 3.9 billion years ago – a date which young earth creationists are unlikely to accept. But, even though we don’t believe that the home of God is literally up there, there is something symbolically interesting and possibly significant in the heavenly origin of all our gold.

37 thoughts on “Gold is from the heavens

  1. I had thought it to be a total crock, until it happened to me one day. I was home, alone, very much lost in worship and I quite literally fell out on the kitchen floor under the power of God. I’m not sure how long I was “out” – a good long while though – but when I got up, I was COVERED in gold dust. Face, hands, arms, toes even. And no – there was no glitter in my home anywhere, much less on my kitchen floor.

    I’ve been asked, “why didn’t you scrape it off and go sell it?” … trust me, that was the furthest thing from my mind at that point.

    Not sure what to make of the gold falling from the sky – but I do know that it’s in the glory.

  2. Kay, thanks for the testimony. I have also seen some of this supposed gold dust – even on my own hands, according to some people, but I thought it could have been tiny beads of sweat etc in the unusual lighting conditions. I wonder, has anyone collected any of this and had it analysed?

  3. Why would you (unless you’re a skeptic)?

    Blessed are those who’ve not seen, but believed.

    I’ve had less dramatic and more public exposure to being “dusted” – but what happened in my own home takes the cake (so far).

    I’ve also had an encounter with God in my car (which, since I’m in it a lot, and toss empty starbucks cups and fast-food wrappers in back, doesn’t usually smell “delicious”) … driving and praying one day I was overcome. had to pull over. the fragrance of God filled my car and permeated my skin and my clothing. People were coming up to me for days asking about it. It wouldn’t wash off me for days, nor out of my clothes for several washings.

    There was also a gemstone that appeared during worship down at Morningstar. A kid showed us. I was extremely skeptical of the little bauble… until I touched it and got blown back through the air several feet, undone by the presence of God (to the point that two hours later I still had to be helped to the car).

    I’ve seen things I can’t explain – but I know my Daddy – so I don’t really need to. I just glory in Him.

  4. Kay, I’m not trying to be sceptical of the phenomenon as a whole. But I might be interested to find out if what appeared on my hands was actually this gold. And you mentioned selling it – which would only work if it was first analysed.

  5. I have heard of such a thing happening. Someone showed me his gold teeth from the Lord…and I’m not kidding. Whether it really happened, only he knows. It’s easy to be skeptical about these things.

  6. I don’t know why God sometimes gives gold teeth (He sometimes gives white ones too) … a good friend of ours had it happen in a meeting in our church. This is someone we know, whose character is impeccable – she’s not lying.

    My question is this: WHY is it so easy to be skeptical? Is that something that needs to change in us? I just don’t see skepticism in the New Testament among those who love the Lord.

  7. Kay, that’s a very good question. I guess it is something to do with our upbringing in a modern materialistic worldview. But I do see signs of it in the Bible as well. Perhaps you would say doubting Thomas and the various other sceptical disciples in the gospels were not yet true believers. But how about the people in Acts 12 who prayed for Peter to be released from prison but didn’t believe it when he knocked at their gate?

  8. I wonder how much of it has to do with how God interacts with different people. I’m quite intellectual, I suppose: I have to think through different alternatives before believing, and so on, and I don’t have many overtly miraculous encounters in my life (although I experience something of God’s presence most days) . A close relative, however, is far more intuitive and non-scholarly in her faith, and she’s had the gold dust several times. She’s not one to make this kind of thing up or get carried away: she’s very level headed, and I certainly believe it happened to her. You can’t really scrape it off, apparently.

  9. Hi Kaye – I wasn’t denying the reality of the miracles, nor was I implying that I myself don’t want to see them happen in my own life. I’d be delighted if this was so. I just haven’t, so far: I certainly experience God very powerfully in a numinous sense, but nothing overtly ‘miraculous.’ I wonder if this is to do with the type of mind I have, that God speaks to me more through intellectual matters. I think the super/natural distinction isn’t the best way of talking about how God works – if he’s the God of the universe He can reveal himself as much through a tree or a conversation as He can through gold dust.

  10. I think we’re right to be sceptical, actually—and remember, there’s a difference between being sceptical and being cynical. Scepticism isn’t necessarily a bad thing, nor does it imply a lack of faith; just a desire for truth.

    There have been countless examples of so-called ‘miracles’ that have been either fraudulent, or dubious at best, and it makes the Church look like a joke; that along with disheartening many who long for genuine miracles.

    To be clear, I believe in miracles, and I want to see more of them; but I also want to know they’re genuine and drawing people to Christ.

    Which brings me to another concern: with these phenomena, so often people are drawn to experiences rather than Christ. The experience becomes the main thing, and Jesus is sidelined. That should make us nervous.

    Also, these experiences have often been connected with frivolous and bizarre behaviour (I’ve been part of more than one church that participated in it), much of which I cannot reconcile with the Bible or Jesus.

    Again, I’m not ruling out God covering someone in gold dust, but I think we are right to test it.

  11. Thank you, Chris. I agree that we should exercise discernment and check for evidence before believing claims of miracles, especially from sources that we cannot fully trust. If that is what you mean by being sceptical, I would agree it is a good thing.

    But there is also a scepticism bordering on cynicism which I have seen on blogs and in comments here, which is a refusal to believe any claims of contemporary miracles, often coupled by suggestions that all who claim healing etc ministries today are charlatans. Now I can understand that from convinced atheists and deists whose worldview has no room for miracles. But when I hear this from people who claim to be Bible believing Christians, who accept miracles in Bible times, then I see it as more cynicism than healthy scepticism.

    I agree that the focus should be on Jesus – or perhaps better, on the entire Trinity including the Holy Spirit. But that must include experience of God at work, not just head knowledge about him. However, it is unhealthy to focus on experiences or miracles which do not point to him.

    As for bizarre behaviour, that is not good if done for its own sake, but what looks bizarre to an outsider may be perfectly rational and acceptable among those who understand what is happening. Often people who display strong emotions during Christian meetings are not doing so to make a display but because God is touching and healing sensitive parts of their memory and unconscious, to which they react by weeping, crying out, laughing etc. Such people should not be condemned for doing what psychologists would agree is helpful for them.

  12. “But there is also a scepticism bordering on cynicism.” Agreed. And I certainly don’t want to cross that border.

    “But that must include experience of God at work, not just head knowledge about him.” Absolutely.

    “As for bizarre behaviour, that is not good if done for its own sake, but what looks bizarre to an outsider may be perfectly rational and acceptable among those who understand what is happening.” Granted. I’ve had some very emotional experiences myself.

    I am thinking, though, of behaviour I’ve seen, personally, and in videos (of recent events) on YouTube, that was/is clearly frivolous and so bizarre that I can’t relate it in any way to the Bible or the person of Christ. In the end, we have to judge the fruit that comes from it, and I personally have seen some really bad fruit (people abandoning their faith, even) come from some of this stuff.

  13. Thank you, Chris. I can’t comment on the behaviour you saw unless you are more specific. But if the fruit from it, and not just the part of it that you know about, is really bad, then I would have to have my doubts about it.

  14. Looking back at my first comment, I probably came on a bit strong. I didn’t mean to suggest that scepticism should be our default position (faith should), but more that we should test things and not jump to hasty conclusions. I do however feel a significant amount of scepticism regarding recent events.

  15. To be a bit more specific about the fruit: people becoming increasingly focused on angels, discouraging discernment, becoming more selfish, becoming experience focused, and even (many young people I knew in a church I was part of) abandoning their faith because they had no foundation or depth in their relationship with God, only experiences, which, in the end, petered out. And that’s just some of it.

    I also can’t reconcile people barking like dogs, or running around ‘zapping’ each other, with the Spirit of Christ.

  16. Thank you, Chris. Indeed faith, not scepticism, should be our default position. But the things you mention are not good fruit, if they persists, unless there is another side to the story which is not so public. I’m not sure what you mean about “running around ‘zapping’ each other” but surely there is nothing wrong in people praying for one another even if the outward expression is not a traditional religious one.

  17. Wow Chris – the service we had yesterday would surely have caused you to question, then… people were laid out all over the place… quite a few of them got up healed.

    Fruit is a really interesting thing. Generally speaking, it’s not tied to “what is done” so much as “who does it” and “in what spirit do they do it?”

    One could argue bad fruit from preaching, prophecy, and tithing… I can certainly point to quite a bit of rottenness that’s come in those three areas… but no one would argue for the Church giving up any of those things, would they?

    Nor should we give up angels, gold dust, shaking, falling, getting laid out on the floor, and even making odd noises when under the power of God. Manifestations are simply the flesh reacting to the presence of the Almighty. If nothing happens… I’m betting that nothing is happening.

    Will there be abuses and flaky people? Sure. So what? Embrace the real, and go deeper in Him.

    It’s not our job to discourage manifestations, but to encourage great maturity in the Body of Christ where Holy Spirit is 100% free to move, so that people know how to handle manifestations when they happen (especially leadership!). Discernment is not skepticism or doubt. It’s simply having your eyes open and seeing what spirit is in operation, cooperating with Holy Spirit and God’s angels, surrendering the human spirit to Him, and giving the boot to the enemy.

    Simple.

  18. While I agree with some of your comments, Kay—and I certainly wouldn’t want to get in the way of God doing what he wants to (even if it makes me feel uncomfortable at times)—I do question some of your assumptions.

    “Manifestations are simply the flesh reacting to the presence of the Almighty.”

    Maybe, maybe not. There are manifestations that have nothing to do with God and are the product of either emotional manipulation or demonic activity. My honest view is, much of what has been happening in recent events is a mixture of the latter two. I haven’t come to this conclusion lightly, either, but by looking at the Scriptures (for precedence and a framework for understanding it), considering what happened in past revivals, observing the lives of some of the people beachheading this movement (for want of a better word) and looking at the fruit of many of the people experiencing it. And, for the most part, it hasn’t been good.

    “If nothing happens… I’m betting that nothing is happening.”

    Where in the Bible does it say “if nothing happens [i.e. there are no physical manifestations]… nothing is happening”? The test that “something is happening” is Christlikeness, not physical manifestations. Some of the most Christlike people I know have not had the experiences you are referring to. Then again, some of them have. But the test is, do they love God and people more, are they more committed to the truth, is holiness being produced in their lives, not have they been lying on the ground shaking.

    I never suggested “giving up angels” either. How could we; they are a reality! They are, though, “ministering spirits”, who are sent to point and help us towards God (Hebrews 1:14), not distract us from him. And I’ve noticed a strong (and, I would say, unhealthy) focus on angels recently, reminiscent of some new age practices.

    I’m sure there are genuine ‘touches’ of God within what is happening, as well as many people genuinely seeking God and not just flaky experiences, but I think that’s in spite of what is happening. My conclusion is that much of it has nothing to do with God, and is in fact the product of deception.

  19. Thanks, Chris, for the etiquette, and for this discussion. I should have welcomed you here. While I tend to agree with Kay more than with you, I am glad to see you discussing this matter. And thanks for linking to your blog. Perhaps I can blame Lewis too.

  20. Chris, I think I did the same thing to Peter when I showed up here – sixteen comments in, I said, “Oh! By the way! Hi!”… LOL

    I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree. My husband and I are the spiritual grandchildren of Toronto and Brownsville and the spiritual children of Lakeland (meaning that we’ve been deeply influenced by people who were in Toronto & Brownsville, and we were at Lakeland, ourselves)… God changed us forever as a result of those revivals. And it wasn’t in spite of all the “stuff” – it was because of His presence in the stuff.

    And now we’re a part of the High Point Blessing where we see “the stuff” on a daily basis, not just in church but out on the streets as well. When the presence of God comes, the flesh reacts (and that is thoroughly biblical… find me a time in Scripture where someone is in His presence and they don’t react!!) and often, that reaction looks weird to people who aren’t experiencing the same thing.

    I’ve ceased to worry about what it looks like… I just see lots and lots and lots of fruit that remains. I see folks like myself who have been so marked by revival that we’ve changed… no more do we “go to a revival”, we ARE revival. It spreads to those we touch… and it spreads from them to others… the Kingdom is exponential.

  21. Thanks for the welcome, Peter, and the civil discussion, Kay.

    Yes, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. I can only hope that what you are seeing/experiencing is different from what I have seen/experienced. Time will tell.

    Grace and peace to you both!

  22. Hi Chris! I appreciate the civil discussion as well. I do have a question, for you though. Please don’t take it as flip or sarcastic (if you could hear my voice you wouldn’t, but I’m aware of how things look in print).

    You said, “Time will tell.”

    Well – how long should I give it?

    I guess you have to understand – my husband and I have been living in revival since we went to Lakeland. And we go to a church that lives and breathes revival. It continues to grow. We get to be a part of what God is doing every day. This isn’t a flash in the pan (intentionally not, in fact) … so how much time should I give it?

  23. Sorry, Kay, I know I was a bit non-committal with that.

    Large-scale spiritual events like this one (if it is related to Lakeland) seem to have a lifespan, and it’s often only after they die down and the dust has settled that people get to see what the true, full, lasting effect is. That’s what I was referring to. (Of course, personal revival can, and should, continue.)

    Let me put my cards on the table. I have severe doubts about Lakeland in particular. I agree with Lee Grady (of Charisma Magazine) and many others (I’ve included some links to articles below)
    who have expressed grave concern over many aspects of that ‘revival’ (sorry, I can’t bring myself to type it without quote marks).

    http://fireinmybones.com/index.php?col=081308~Life+After+Lakeland%3A+Sorting+Out+the+Confusion

    http://charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/20005-the-tragic-scandal-of-greasy-grace

    http://www.watchmanscry.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7555 (Andrew Strom has studied revivals for years)

    http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-shallow-evangelicals-are-so.html (I know John MacArthur is a cessasionist, which I am not—I speak in tongues and believe in prophecy and all the other gifts—and I probably wouldn’t have called Todd Bentley a “son of hell”, but I have to agree with most of his other comments).

    Again, I am not suggesting that there weren’t good/God things going on in the midst of this, or necessarily that your experience isn’t genuine, but looking at all the evidence, Lakeland, overall, looks pretty bad!

    I don’t say any of this to intentionally offend you, just to be honest. Obviously, we each have to come to our own conclusions.

  24. Chris, thank you for coming clean. Sorry the comment was held for moderation – too many links, which I have not followed.

    In the past I have been accused here of being too quick to defend Todd Bentley. Perhaps sometimes I was, but I was responding to people who were making accusations against him without any evidence, and were sometimes telling barefaced lies about him. I’m afraid I don’t trust anything said about him in the kinds of articles you are linking to.

    Maybe not all of the miracles Todd claimed were genuine. In the confusion of Lakeland 2008 it would have been easy for false reports to slip through the net, and not easy to collect enough evidence to convince sceptics, especially if their whole worldview rejects miracles today. The way in which Todd and his wife got a divorce and Todd quickly remarried was certainly not in accord with the best biblical principles.

    But the real issue here is whether genuine good fruit has come from Lakeland. Kay seems to suggest that it has. I have also seen quite a lot. Maybe it has not lived up to all the hype. Maybe you are right to wait a bit longer before coming to firm conclusions. But I don’t think you have any basis for condemning Lakeland on the basis of its fruit.

  25. Good morning Chris,

    First of all, even though you’ve linked to some folks whose words are hateful and evil, you have taken great pains yourself to express what you have to say in a pleasant, polite and civil manner. Thank you – that’s rare among those who disagree with revival.

    Those you have linked to, though, should be ashamed of themselves. I canceled my Charisma subscription (which was a gift sub that I didn’t pay for) because of it. Strom is positively vile. And why anyone would read McArthur is a mystery to me. Before I even knew who he was, I once picked up a book of his at the store. It had an interesting title. I had a reaction of discernment so strong I almost threw up. Then I paged through the book and discovered why. 🙁

    But back to more interesting topics – revival.

    I’m not sure how many people I know (personally, and online) who went to Lakeland and were changed there… healed there… set seriously free there… but it’s a lot. Safe to say “hundreds”. I only know a handful who actually went there and say they were damaged by Todd’s fall (more on that in a second).

    Those who put their faith in God got God. And, sadly for them, those who put their faith in Todd got Todd.

    We saw things in Lakeland that we’d never seen before (but have been privileged to see a lot since)… the shekinah glory. Healing as an immediate, direct result of deliverance. And actually, it was really the first time we saw people other than ourselves who had received miracle healings (my story is over at my blog, iamhealed.net). The power of prophetic words. The eagles landing. The intensity of worship. I started seeing angels as a direct result of Lakeland. And we’re not the only ones.

    Did Todd screw up? You bet he did. Did his (now-ex) wife? Oh yes. Did those over him? Absolutely.

    Do those things negate the revival? Absolutely NOT.

    Not to mention – Todd has repented and been restored to ministry… so who are you (and who is anyone) to continually bring this up? God’s forgotten it…

  26. >>not easy to collect enough evidence to convince sceptics, especially if their whole worldview rejects miracles today. <<

    "But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

    There are people who love Jesus, and there are other people who hate revival. Among those who love Jesus, revival is no offense. Among those who hate revival, Jesus Himself is an offense and they want to bind Him and prevent Him from bringing revival.

    Fortunately for the world, He will not be bound.

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