Rick Joyner on another Japan earthquake prophecy

The well-known American charismatic leader Rick Joyner has joined me in publishing material on prophecies about major earthquakes in Japan and the USA. The prophecy I discussed was David Wilkerson’s prophecy from 1973. Joyner, however, presents a somewhat similar but more recent prophecy, from the late 1980s, given through Bob Jones. He does this in a YouTube video Special Bulletin: Japanese Earthquake, A Prophetic Demarcation in Time, Part 1.

Although this 29 minute video is divided into two sections by a “commercial break” promoting Joyner’s ministry, it is indeed only Part 1 of a series, with “Part 2 Coming Next Week”. Long term readers of this blog will remember that this is the same Rick Joyner who was involved with the restoration of Todd Bentley in 2009.

Concerning the Bob Jones prophecy, which was shared openly in the 1980s, Joyner now says:

The Japanese earthquake was something we were told over 22 years ago would begin the worldwide economic meltdown.

Now what does that mean? We need to understand what it means. See, it does not mean the end of the world. It does not mean the end of hope. It doesn’t mean the end of America. But we need to understand these times we’re in. To me this was a clear marker.

There was also other things attached to this prophecy about … There was a major earthquake coming to the west coast of the United States, and that it would not come until after the Japanese earthquake, the major Japanese earthquake that was seen. Now that doesn’t mean it was imminent to hit our west coast … (starting at 2:42)

There is a lot more of this video, mostly about the significance of these events and how people should respond to the prophecy.

Most of this I can endorse as good teaching, but I would want to be somewhat sceptical about the details especially in terms of predictions of the future. Also I would not count on Joyner’s political or economic advice as the best. As I concluded my post about the David Wilkerson prophecy,

These things are not so much signs of the end as warnings that Christian believers should stand firm, and that those who are not should listen to the gospel of the kingdom and start to follow Jesus.

27 thoughts on “Rick Joyner on another Japan earthquake prophecy

  1. There will be wars and rumours of wars, the sun will be shaken, the stars will fall from heaven, there will be earthquakes and disasters and so on and so forth — but none of this means that the end has come et cetera et cetera…

    It doesn’t take a prophet to predict earthquakes on a faultline. ; but it does take a certain sort of arrogance to believe that you can build nuclear power plants on one and get away with it. Japan’s crisis is a mirror of humanity’s greater crisis: we are but fleas living on a camel’s back; and we fleas who have the privilege of living further away from where the camel scratches itself should respond first of all, I’d say, with compassion.

    I’d say it’s not so much a warning to stand firm as a call to give freely: to respond with the generosity with which God has responded to us…

  2. Yes, Phil, that’s what I quoted on the previous earthquake prophecy post. I agree that these earthquakes could have been predicted in a purely natural way, especially as only a very vague timeline is given. Wilkerson’s version is more interesting in predicting an earthquake in an unexpected part of the USA. Well, we will see.

    My main point in posting about these earthquakes is to teach some sanity to the large numbers of people surfing the Internet for these prophecies.

  3. Listen to the video, again. This time try to hear what he is saying without personal negative filters. Rick Joyner does not say that he predicted the earthquake in Japan, but another man, Bob Jones did. He says that Bob predicted another earthquake correctly back in the 1980’s (Bay Area earthquake during the World Series). Bob Jones does have a gift of prophecy that seems right on. Rick also admits that he himself is not very good at interpreting prophetic dreams or visions and that he has made mistakes trying to understand them. I don’t believe he is exactly selling himself or his ministry with those types of comments. Rick is one of the most open and honest ministers out there today. He has no problem laying his short comings out for all to see and hear. That would be a good place to start for most us. <

  4. If he is not looking for profit, then he need not include the advertisement from 12:16-14:07 in the middle of this video. BTW, I am still waiting for the confirmation on the 20+ dead people that were announced by Todd to have been “resurrected” revived during the Todd Bentley “revival”.

    I am not despising the spirit of prophecy, I am just saying let us be careful to judge what is good and true.

    Prophets, physics, they’re a dime a dozen.

    2011 Psychic Predictions by Pernel Coming True
    March 11, 2011 by psychicinsights
    http://psychicinsights.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/pernels-psychic-predictions-for-2011/ – Psychic Predictions Accurate

    * There will be a violent earthquake, one of the strongest on record.
    Update: March 11, 2011 – Japan Hit by 8.9 Earthquake and Tsunami
    The magnitude 8.9 offshore quake — the largest in Japan’s history — unleashed a 23-foot tsunami and was followed by more than 50 aftershocks for hours, many of them of more than magnitude 6.0.

  5. Jay, I guess the devil can also foretell the future to some extent. He can read genuine prophecies and pass them off as his own. I didn’t follow your link as I don’t go to psychic sites. But it looks as if this psychic prediction was made just over a month before the event – and did it say where the earthquake would be? By contrast the prophecies of Wilkerson and Jones were made decades ahead of time. That doesn’t in itself make them any more than lucky guesses. As Jesus said, it is by their fruit that you will discern true and false prophets (Matthew 7:15-20). I see good fruit from Wilkerson’s and Joyner’s ministries, which makes me much more inclined to believe them.

  6. Because we have had so many counterfeit prophets in the past who have tried to use God for personal profit – it is now hard to hear what God tells us today from His true servants. That reality is not lost on Lucifer. However, false prophets could not have ever come on the scene if it were not for the true prophets. Lucifer does not counterfeit anything of God’s unless the real one exists. He does not need to destroy the credibility of things that God never created in the first place.

    As for Todd Bentley, it amazes me how so many people get derailed because of this one man.

    Rick Joyner has done what the Bible commanded him to do for Todd Bentley:

    Galatians 6:1-5
    “Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For each one shall bear his own load.”

    If Todd fails again, then the Lord will no doubt deal with him. We don’t have to.

    Hebrews 10:26-31

    For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The LORD will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Romans 12:19-21
    19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 Therefore “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    God will deal with Todd Bentley – if He needs to.

    As for the psychics – Wow – that is dangerous territory. But, since demons cause destruction, it would not be hard to believe they know when destruction hits. They are part of the spirit world and privy to what angels and demons are permitted to know.

    However, God was clear about not going to psychics for ANYTHING:

    Deuteronomy 18:9-14

    “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you. “

  7. Hello Everyone:

    I just wanted to share a few comments and thoughts. Sometimes it’s easy to get so caught up in the trap of being overly cautious of being deceived that we forget the real purpose of Christianity- to Love one another. Jesus did say “beware of false prophets” but he also said to love even our enemies. We should not be so busy watching other people’s fruit at the cost of not producing our own. The scriptures do not say to love only those who are in the truth or have a flawless ministry but to love regardless of who they are. For God so loved the world that He gave his Son not to condemn but to bring us life. This does not imply that we should wink at sin or even hypocrisy but it does indicate that we should be more concerned about loving and accepting people (regardless of their current walk) and leave the correcting and timing to God.

    Let us also remember that the word say’s- though a righteous man falls seven times, he gets back up. Why then are we so shocked when one falls in the Kingdom? Is this simply not allowed even for God’s people? We certainly don’t endorse sin or any lifestyle of sin but as believers, who have been washed by the precious blood of Jesus, we should be thankful and merciful always looking to the hope which God has called all of us even or especially when we fall. We should do this not only for those of the world but also to those in the family of believers who love God. It’s all about His grace and we should be rejoicing in God’s restoration process no matter who it is or what their sin was. Let us remember that none of us deserve God’s mercy therefore we should rejoice in His mercy for all and in all. His kindness (not wrath) leads us to repentance. What the enemy desires for bad, God can always turn around for good. God is more patient that we realize.

    What is sin by the way? Is it not something that separates us from true intimacy with God? As the example in Genesis, man is found hiding from God after he sins. We should consider whether or not God is grieved with what sin does to us as opposed to just being offended at man because he disobeyed. What makes sin utterly sinful is that when it is finished with us, it makes us look nothing like Him and we were created in His image. This is what grieves God and it is also why God dealt with sin at the cross. So often I see believers get so offended when a man or woman of the ministry falls. We have been so quick to judge instead of grieving over the consequences that sins brings to that individual. I some times wonder if the Todd Bentley incident and others like it is really more about how the church responds in love and forgiveness than the actual event(s) that took place. If this is the case then we still have a ways to go.

    We as the church have been given the ministry of reconciliation; therefore, we should have the heart of the Father which is to see His restoration in all things starting with people and then nations. I believe that the current shaking is not God’s wrath so much as it is the simple yet severe consequences for our own choices apart along with a merciful wake up call that there is only true God and only He can truly save us from ourselves and each other.

    Now with that said I would like to share on a personal note that I honestly believe Rick Joyner is the real deal (so to speak) and I commend him for the restoration process he headed up with Todd Bentley. I also believe that Morningstar is fertile soil for any giving especially for crises such as Japan. This is just a personal discernment on my part so take it as you wish. It’s worth noting that I am not a member of Morningstar but I did visit their church in 2008. I have also read a few of Joyner’s books that have literally changed the course of my life for the better. I recommend his books to all.

    Finally, let us love one another for love is from God. This is the time for the church to rise up in love. What the world needs is not a reminder of the consequences of their sin or choices. They need a loving church representing our savior who will say neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more. In other words, they are not to bear the consciousness of their sin any longer once they receive the forgiveness of a God who loves them dearly and wants them to know Him. They are not interested in conforming to what we call church. They are looking for real love and hope. The world is growing colder but Love never fails and it starts with us folks.

    God Bless,

  8. I didn’t say anything about any personal moral failings of Todd Bentley, but according to your responses, it seems to be your main concern. It is not my main concern. I was referring to the revival in which Todd Bentley was seen as instrumental. I followed this revival very closely and studied carefully the teachings given in it and those held by Todd and others who blessed this revival. I also watched as a number of self appointed apostles blessed Todd in the revival. Why if this revival was truly of God, did it rise and fall with one individual. Actually, I pity that the Church puts anyone such as Todd under the pressure as they did there in Flordia to be away from his wife and children thus also putting him in a more compromising situation. I saw how the God Channel changed their their programming to focus on this revival. I am not sure if I am interested or not to recall again the revelations to Bob Jones and Todd by Emma the angel or Todd’s personal interview of the Apostle Paul in heaven. However, I cannot help but consider some of these odd teachings whenever I see them or those who blessed them mentioned in a praiseworthy manner.

  9. Ray, thank you for your helpful and encouraging comments.

    Jay, I don’t think Ray’s remarks were meant as personally as you seem to take them. There are of course genuine concerns about the Lakeland events, especially about the pressure that was put on Todd. But I might suggest that the revival fell because of the lack of faith and general negativity of so much of the church. After all even Jesus couldn’t do many miracles in Nazareth because of the people’s lack of faith.

  10. No personal offense on my part Peter. I was born and raised a Pentecostal and continue to work as a Pentecostal missionary. I have seen about everything that is to be seen in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. I have heard a lot of prophecies. Now for the past 20+ years I have been serving in a country that does not share the Christian world view, but does share a strong belief in the supernatural and has a high view of miracles and prophetic seers. I must not only discern the spirits myself, but must teach others to judge the spirits and the utterances made in the name of the spirit of prophecy also. Just because someone prophesies in the name of Jesus, does not mean much. Jesus himself warned of the realities of false prophets. From the perspective of the non-believer, I would hope that we also appear to be testing the validity of our supernatural claims. But lets watch as see the effect of this present tragedy in Japan and the economic repercussions.

  11. Jay, I agree that caution and discernment are needed, especially in your situation. But they should not be accompanied by the condemnatory attitude I see on many “discernment” sites. If you believe someone is prophesying wrongly, the best thing is to gently warn others against taking their prophecies too seriously – and, if you are in a position to do so, gently warn the prophet as well, but in private. Meanwhile please remember that in this post I am not unconditionally endorsing Joyner or Jones.

  12. Hi Jay:

    Yes, you are correct in your comments about not saying anything personal about Todd. I was actually expounding on some thoughts (not all related to this blog) that I have had for awhile so it probably was not fair to you as it may have appeared directed that way, please forgive me for that. I have tendency as you will probably see in my comments to get off on bunny trails.

    I have been in charismatic circles for sometime myself and I too have witnessed prophecies unfulfilled. To be honest, this has challenged my faith from time to time. But even in his I believe that a “false prophet” is someone with the wrong heart or motive not necessarily someone who misses it. I also believe with the relatively recent rise of the prophetic movement that we do have genuinely gifted individuals who just don’t have the discernment yet from what their flesh is saying and what God is saying. This does not mean they are false but there are false prophets and the bible is clear that they do not even know God. Training and mentoring is key for these younger and even older prophets and it’s great to witness the increase in churches nationwide that are taking the time to train them. The bible says to “Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy” Corinthians 14:1. Prophetic people, especially those who are younger, should be taught in this order- To follow the way of love first and then seeking the gift of prophecy. I believe this first part has been missed in the past season and could be the reason for some of the failed prophecies but I also believe its changing for the better with proper mentoring from older prophets. Only by walking in love first can we truly discern the Lord’s voice and what He is saying in these times.

    As for Bob Jones he, in my opinion, is a true prophet. I have seen him in person on several occasions and I have witnessed a very pure heart. I am not familiar with all of his prophecies but I can tell you, once again in my opinion, that he is a gift to the body of Christ and should be received as such.

    Thanks for listening. I need to get going and help my wife get the kids out the door for church. I hope you all have a great day. Remember the Father’s mission is this: To experience His love daily for ourselves and to give it to the next person we meet. The truth sets us free but only love can really change us and the people we encounter. Tell someone today that God loves them and back it up with some action on your part.

    Take Care,

  13. I believe this discussion truly reinforces what Rick Joyner has said so many times – we must hear the Lord for ourselves. We can not rely on someone else to always hear the Lord for us. I pray as the days get closer to the complete fulfillment of the Matthew 24 prophecies, we are able to discern the Lord’s voice clearer and clearer. <

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  17. Very interesting information and comments. Let me just say, as a brother and elder, that it is important (as some have pointed out) not to despise prophetic utterance and warnings of impending judgments. It is important not to be “overly critical” or always looks for some way to condemn others OR prophetic words. The important thing is to hear from GOD and to discern what is truly from Him and what is perhaps error or mixture with error. NO ONE is infallible. … but GOD USES imperfect and infallible servants.
    David Wilkerson’s vision/prophecy is especially ominous. Perhaps it can be mitigated by widespread repentance and a turning back to GOD and righteousness. This remains to be seen. But whatever happens: CONTINUE TO WATCH AND PRAY and seek the Lord for guidance in your own life, loved ones, and in reaching out to others with the love and grace of The Gospel. Likely (and soon) we are headed straight into ‘the time of Jacob’s Trouble’ and the last great tribulation period. Hold tight to Jesus. Be a worshiper. Return also to your First Love relationship Him. Ultimately, nothing else matters: for HE will watch over and take care of His own.
    blessings in Yeshua Messiah ha adOn, The Almighty One.

  18. and please: this one little additional note: WHATEVER GOD DOES: IT WILL BE GOOD.

    Trust Him; look to Him; fear Him; obey Him; love Him will all the love that can be sent to Him from the heart: in Spirit & in Truth.

    He will NEVER forsake His own. He died an unspeakably humiliating death *for us*.

    All glory to The Lamb. ALL glory to Him forever.

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  20. No problem, Doug. I am aware of allegations of this nature against Paul Cain, but not against Rick Joyner. I should also note that God can speak even through sinners, so their deeds do not invalidate their prophecies.

  21. Greetings friend, I’m Melissa Crawford and I appreciate the prophecy that I found on your webpage. My husband wanted me to invite you to share with our live video streaming e-revival audience as soon as possible. At Spirit University he is training a team of prophetic students and we are all receiving end time visions, dreams and words like yours. One of our students has been seeing fireballs falling from Heaven and as you know, recently one actually fell on Russia.

    Everyone receives a prophetic word by my husband James Crawford; if they request one and we have an e-Revival every day!

    Times you can call in to share:
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    Feel free to call our cell at (318) 655-2297 or email james@world-hops.com for more information.

    Keep up the good work and God bless you.

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